tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post8045563277327496304..comments2023-11-05T04:38:52.557-06:00Comments on LeftWingCracker: I am reeling a little bit here.Steve Steffenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08104688163653632284noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-66614334774064666122007-10-05T21:58:00.000-05:002007-10-05T21:58:00.000-05:00Brother Cracker, I'm sure there might have been a ...Brother Cracker, I'm sure there might have been a few cavemen out there that weren't ready to vote for a woman. I suspect, however, that someone with an anti-female bias is more likely to have another bias on top of that one that would be more likely to take priority.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to seeing the breakdowns. I kept hearing people saying over and over that she was going to pull it out because black women would vote for her to get a woman into office. Problem is that instead of talking to them, she took them for granted, and I don't think the numbers will tell us they swung her way. Why would they? <BR/><BR/>There are plenty of characters in politics, male, female, black, white, etc that I would vote for in a legislative position but not an executive one. If I was in her district and she ran for the state legislature or city council again, I would have no great problem voting for her. Some unseemly grandstanding aside, she performed capably, if not admirably.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure she'll tell herself it's sexism. At the end of the day, it's really not. She's just not as popular as she thought she was.Freedonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599999041887644571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-28186869245972067882007-10-05T19:41:00.000-05:002007-10-05T19:41:00.000-05:00there have been some great comments here, but my q...there have been some great comments here, but my question is this: how much of this was race, and how much of this was GENDER?<BR/><BR/>How much of this was simply that Memphians weren't ready to vote for a woman? Why did people who were always ready to vote for her for a legislative position abandon her when she sought an EXECUTIVE position?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...Steve Steffenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08104688163653632284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-66375466043618789062007-10-05T19:17:00.000-05:002007-10-05T19:17:00.000-05:00Every "MIdtown liberal" who supported Morris becau...<I>Every "MIdtown liberal" who supported Morris because you thought that the white candidate could never win should really question your political instincts.</I><BR/><BR/>And anyone who read "she couldn't win" into anything that's been written here is kind of a droolie.<BR/><BR/>She could have won. If she had, you know, maybe thought about firing some of the brain dead staff that were pissing off white liberals faster than she could talk to them. She also might have considered venturing into a neighborhood now and again that didn't have a majority white population.<BR/><BR/>She "could" have won if she had the right strategy. She did not. She did absolutely nothing to win. Her numbers did not move from the very first poll. The day she filed her petition, she already had every vote she was going to get. In her mind, running against two black men meant that every white was sure to vote for her. <BR/><BR/>It ain't about who could have won-- That was a discussion for yesterday. This is about the who and why.Freedonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599999041887644571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-3199162750304392952007-10-05T15:17:00.000-05:002007-10-05T15:17:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jim Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08165507999006658187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-10607983760660738322007-10-05T15:13:00.000-05:002007-10-05T15:13:00.000-05:00John etal.On Herman Morris being endorsed by Leon ...John etal.<BR/>On Herman Morris being endorsed by Leon Gray and other homophobes.. I don't hold a candidate responsible for all the people who endorse him. (There were many anti-gay Republicans who supported Carol Chumney!) They did NOT endorse Morris because of his support of equality for gays.<BR/>And perhaps you didn't see my statements in the Commercial Appeal on the irony of Leon Gray endorsing Morris and Morris's response, which was he supports both Leon Gray's religious freedom and my rights by opposing discrimination against gays.. which I think made Morris a UNITER.Jim Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08165507999006658187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-13090168876135702162007-10-05T13:02:00.000-05:002007-10-05T13:02:00.000-05:00find it funny that both gay men and people who hat...find it funny that both gay men and people who hate gays are supporting Herman Morris, for someone who attacks everyone for not supporting gay rights, it struck me as hypocritical that Maynard did not call out Herman for his endorsements and support by Leo Gray and others who want the right to preach against homosexuality.Jon Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09451845187115093687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-29158750347896042242007-10-05T12:57:00.000-05:002007-10-05T12:57:00.000-05:00just trying to cheer people up with a feeling good...just trying to cheer people up with a feeling good postJon Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09451845187115093687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-53181487972366276992007-10-05T12:18:00.000-05:002007-10-05T12:18:00.000-05:00"No--- Chumney did not campaign in a white sheet a..."No--- Chumney did not campaign in a white sheet any more than Herenton ran on a "kill whitey" platform."<BR/><BR/>Let's be fair. Herenton's racial propaganda is way close to "kill whitey" than you're suggesting.Will Beatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13598882842928931383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-40664106793116192582007-10-05T12:13:00.000-05:002007-10-05T12:13:00.000-05:00Maynard, why are you still even posting? You got ...Maynard, why are you still even posting? You got what you want!<BR/> <BR/>Somehow, in your mind, Carol not visiting a Pride parade or filling out some jacked up survey equals Herenton being a better mayor. Well, congrats. You won. I'm sure the gay community will just thrive now!<BR/><BR/>I completely agree with LWC about Morris' numbers and support being mostly about white guilt. Every "MIdtown liberal" who supported Morris because you thought that the white candidate could never win should really question your political instincts. Maybe there's a special hat you can wear so we can tell you apart from the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>I feel like the cover of the Commercial Appeal today should be Carol holding a "Only Morris can Win!" sign while flipping off the camera.Will Beatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13598882842928931383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-25679806133755395782007-10-05T10:27:00.000-05:002007-10-05T10:27:00.000-05:00No--- Chumney did not campaign in a white sheet an...No--- Chumney did not campaign in a white sheet any more than Herenton ran on a "kill whitey" platform.<BR/><BR/>But neither of them showed any strong interest in talking to anyone outside their own demographic. Of the four candidates to actually make it to TV, only Herman Morris didn't play the racial identity politics strategy.<BR/><BR/>When we see the final numbers, I believe we'll see that Morris was the only one to get significant votes from both blacks and whites.<BR/><BR/>You and I both heard it from her supporters at the debate party. It was unthinkable to them that whites or women could vote for anyone but her. I think both of those are dangerous assumptions to make.<BR/><BR/>But yeah, you're right--- Cohen is safer today because of Chumney's loss. Too bad her staff berated and further alienated his supporters.Freedonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599999041887644571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-17829319114479383592007-10-05T10:25:00.000-05:002007-10-05T10:25:00.000-05:00LWC, I'm not sure I buy into your "Herman as sttog...LWC, I'm not sure I buy into your "Herman as sttoge" theory; but your perceptions are better than your critics'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-90602782374491498512007-10-05T09:49:00.000-05:002007-10-05T09:49:00.000-05:00Well, brother, I'm going to need to see the precin...Well, brother, I'm going to need to see the precinct breakdowns for that. I think when it shakes out that she got less than she thought she would get, certainly, in the African-American community, but good lord, man, it's not as if we campaigned in sheets.<BR/><BR/>I knew that this was going to be tough this year, but Morris made it that much more difficult.<BR/><BR/>As others have posted, we all need to look at a 30% turnout; that speaks more to the whole issue of why we are all reeling this morning.<BR/><BR/>Guess Cohen's safer this morning, eh? :-)Steve Steffenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08104688163653632284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-58655869811003104412007-10-05T09:42:00.000-05:002007-10-05T09:42:00.000-05:00Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, Don "No Soul" Sim...<I>Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, Don "No Soul" Simmons would have gotten more African-American votes than Herman Morris! </I><BR/><BR/>How many do you think it will turn out that Carol got? <BR/><BR/>In her own way, she ran a Southern Strategy of a kind--- It was simply unthinkable to her that a white vote might go to anyone but her. And she felt she could live without those black votes as long as Morris and Herenton were going to split the black vote down the middle.<BR/><BR/>As much as we complain about racial identity politics in this city, there was no greater practitioner of it than Carol Chumney in this cycle. It was a ploy that di not work.<BR/><BR/>And while we're berating the CA for the last minute poll boosting Morris--- Take another look at it and turn this thing on its head. I told you months ago that the early polling was oversampling whites in this city. And those early polls put Chumney at roughly 35% with a large swath of undecided.<BR/><BR/>Her final numbers were within the margin of error for that poll. For it to have ever been accurate, that would mean that she managed to sway not a single undecided vote.<BR/><BR/>So was it really that they did something wrong by stating that Morris's numbers were the only ones moving upward, or was it that they did something wrong by inflating Chumney's odds to start with?Freedonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599999041887644571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-23882892479008831722007-10-05T09:13:00.000-05:002007-10-05T09:13:00.000-05:00LWC: It really isn't helping matters any to insult...LWC: It really isn't helping matters any to insult people that voted for Herman Morris. It is particularly offensive to suggest that it was 'white liberal guilt.' Does that even still exist? Many people that admire Chumney simply felt that Morris would make a better mayor, and hoped he could win. Please funnel some of that energy into lobbying for a runoff in the mayoral race as part of the charter rewrite. And quit calling people morons (or whatever).eathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093181833587388575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-74375494305434154312007-10-05T08:54:00.000-05:002007-10-05T08:54:00.000-05:00And maybe "Democrats" should stop ignoring their b...And maybe "Democrats" should stop ignoring their base to get elected..Jim Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08165507999006658187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102867.post-90609279408948204672007-10-05T08:52:00.000-05:002007-10-05T08:52:00.000-05:00I don't regret voting for Herman Morris AT ALL. I...I don't regret voting for Herman Morris AT ALL. I did not support him out of "liberal guilt". I supported him because he had the courage to speak for gay and lesbian equal rights, Carol Chumney did NOT. I would rather have four more years of Herrenton than vote for another lukewarm "liberal" Democrat who is afraid to defend gays and lesbians.<BR/>(Morris deserved more support than he got, he was the best candidate.)Jim Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08165507999006658187noreply@blogger.com