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Friday, November 18, 2005

It's about damn time!

As expected, the whiny bitches that are the Republican House attempted to attack Rep. John Murtha today on the floor of the House. When Rep. Jean Schmidt (Idiot-OH) made the following comments: she was nearly booed off the House floor by Democrats:

The fiery, emotional debate climaxed when Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, the most junior member of the House, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel."He asked me to send Congress a message _ stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message _ that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.

However, what happened next is a cause for surprise. Per the AP article,

Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that it was an uncalled for personal attack.

Really? Congressman, are you now ready to step up and admit you were bamboozled by the lies from the White House?

I know, I know, baby steps, baby steps. Maybe it's a sign that he has realized it's time to fight the real enemy, the Republican Party.

8 comments:

The Christian Progressive Liberal said...

Nah, Harold just learned which side his bread has butter. And it wasn't the GOP.

Especially if he needs more than a snowball's chance in hell to win that Senate seat. But at least he grew a pair...let's see how long it lasts. :-)

Orange Mounder said...

Is there an email address where you can be reached?

soandsodem said...

Junior's latest act is political theater.
I'm willing to bet his campaign managers never mention it when he does tours of rural TN.

thurbis said...

hey, steve, it's me! thurbis!

while i am sure representative murtha is a fine gentleman, sincere in his beliefs and patriotic as all get out, but i do question his judgement.

representative murtha also advocated pulling out of somalia back in september of 1993 after 4 military policemen were killed.
in september 1993 on the today show, rep. murtha stated ""Our welcome has been worn out". . . .he also went on to say that President Clinton was "listening to our suggestions. And I think you'll see him move those troops out very quickly."

about two weeks later, in october 1993, after 18 U.S. Rangers were killed in the battle of Mogadishu, Rep. Murtha visited troops in somalia, came back and said the following:

"They're subdued compared to normal morale of elite forces. .. Obviously, it was a very difficult battle. A lot of Somalis were killed, but it was a brutal battle.. . ."There's no military solution. Some of them will tell you [that] to get [warlord Mohamed Farrah] Aidid is the solution. I don't agree with that."

rep. murtha's "There's no military solution" from 1993 sounds an awful lot like his statement last week that, "the U.S. cannot accomplish anything further militarily. It is time to bring [the troops] home."

I believe that Rep. Murtha is sincere....i also believe that he is sincerely wrong.

years later osams bin laden pointed to this very event as one that encouraged and emoldened his terrorist network.

in one of his tedious fatwa's, osams "poindexter" bin laden made the following comments:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."

blah blah blah.

you can read the whole thing in all its tedious detail at - http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

in a 1998 interview with ABC's John Miller, osama bin laden, made the same observation yet again, stating:

"Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run[s] in defeat after a few blows....America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."

dealing with terrorists seems to be like dealing with the schoolyard bully; you don't want to encourage them!

naturally, i disagree with this statement:

"Congressman, are you now ready to step up and admit you were bamboozled by the lies from the White House?"

while i do like to see the word "bamboozled" whenever possible, i don't think that this is a fair statement.

on september 20, 2001 president bush made a speech in which he stated the following:

"Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. . . .Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." President George W. Bush / September 20, 2001

now one can disagree with the policy but regime change in iraq is part of the larger war on terrorism.

saddam hussein has only saddam hussein to blame for saddam husseins problems. while no wmd were found, wmd is but on of many reasons given to justify removing saddam hussein from power.

for the better part of a decade, iraq played cat and mouse with UN weapons inspectors.

even though un weapons inspectors were in iraq after the first gulf war, it wasn;t until saddam husseins son in law defected that we got a better understanding of their wmd programs. how do we know? president clinton said so by gum!

Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

"In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law, and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more. Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth. Now listen to this, what did it admit? It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production." President Bill Clinton / February 18, 1998 / address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff:

in november 2002 UN Resolution 1441 found iraq to be in material breach of practically every un resolution and gave iraq 30 days to cooperate or face serious consequences. iraq didn't cooperate in 30 days, or even in 60 days.

in january 2003 hans blix gave the following report -

THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003: AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

if you read thru it you find that iraq still couldn't or wouldn't account for 1,000 TONS of VX nerve gas. and then there's this statement from mr. blix:

"Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction."

well, okay, so iraq wasn't accounting for nerve gas and anthrax...and that's just two of the noncooperative issues hans blix (i love a name that sounds like one of santa's reindeers) noted.

his february report wasn't much better, with his last statement in his report being:

"If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament – under resolution 687 (1991) – could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided. Today, three months after the adoption of resolution 1441 (2002), the period of disarmament through inspection could still be short, if “immediate, active and unconditional cooperation” with UNMOVIC and the IAEA were to be forthcoming."

yeah, it'd be easy...if iraq would cooperate but they still weren't entirely fully cooperating.

so, to bring this tome closer to a conclusion, while it is fine to disagree with the policy, it's not fair to claim that the president bamboozled anyone about iraq. wmd was but one of about 20 some odd reasons noted by the senate when the vote to authorize force was cast.

if president bush were the only one out there making claims about iraq, wmd and terrorist connections, i could see someone believing in the bamboozler theory; but he's not and to say otherwise is really sort of ignoring a lot of recent history.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in
sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. (so much for the "Bush Lied" claim) That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know.So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the UN and for the UN to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions." --Bill Clinton, July 22, 2003

of course one has to wonder how many "final" or "last" chances saddam hussein should have been given; that's a legitimate topic of debate. they were giving saddam a "final chance" back in '98 and he essentially told the un to take a hike.

per president clinton:

"Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?

Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal. . . .

In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now--a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program." President Bill Clinton

in the 9/11 report it notes that the terrorist attackes were due to a lack of imagination. president bush imagined the above scenario, and viola regime change in iraq became the next logical step in the war on terrorism, and state sponsors of terrorism like iraq.

"In September 2003, the senator (Ted Kennedy) was claiming that the Iraq was was "a fraud made up in Texas to give Republicans a political boost". This is pretty serious stuff - charging that the president of the united states went to war in order to win a re-election. And exactly how would that work? Lets see, President Bush takes the nation to war, an enormously risky political proposition, says that the reason we're going to war is that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, even though the president know that the weapons don't really exist, and that sooner or later, certainly before the election, everyone will know that they don't exist. . .and he does this to give Republicans a political boost? Am I missing something?" Bernard Goldberg

".... it's time to fight the real enemy, the Republican Party."

oh, don't be silly, silly! the party of abraham lincoln isn't the "real enemy" and if condi rice becomes president, we can just call her "babe-raham lincoln"!

and here's a look back to the past...1997 to be exact:

STATE DEPARTMENT RELEASES 1997 TERRORISM REPORT
http://www.emergency.com/dsterr97.htm
"Iran is one of seven countries on the State Department list of nations that engage in state-sponsored terrorism. The others are: Cuba, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria."

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